Comments on: Die Flash, die. http://thepinkcrow.com/articles/die-flash-die/ Front-end design that stands out. Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:39:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Mike Taylorhttp://thepinkcrow.com/articles/die-flash-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4092 Mike Taylor Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:48:07 +0000 http://thepinkcrow.com/?p=213#comment-4092 @kadiks,Flash as a framework for what, exactly? For swfs?1) You can add html5 to a page with about as much effort as it takes to embed your flash in html. So the drag and drop point is moot. Also, html5 full-screen video is already supported in Firefox 3.6 and Webkit nightlies.2) How are you quantifying 'less line of code' [sic]? As to your point that you can produce effects without code, I imagine its only a matter of time before some kind of authoring tool is created.3) This point makes no sense. The iPhone and iPad don't support flash at all, but do support (javascript) touch events. Huh?4) So all effective SEO solutions are for HTML... 'Nuff said. @kadiks,

Flash as a framework for what, exactly? For swfs?

1) You can add html5 to a page with about as much effort as it takes to embed your flash in html. So the drag and drop point is moot. Also, html5 full-screen video is already supported in Firefox 3.6 and Webkit nightlies.

2) How are you quantifying ‘less line of code’ [sic]? As to your point that you can produce effects without code, I imagine its only a matter of time before some kind of authoring tool is created.

3) This point makes no sense. The iPhone and iPad don’t support flash at all, but do support (javascript) touch events. Huh?

4) So all effective SEO solutions are for HTML… ‘Nuff said.

]]> By: Alex Sextonhttp://thepinkcrow.com/articles/die-flash-die/comment-page-1/#comment-4091 Alex Sexton Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:44:07 +0000 http://thepinkcrow.com/?p=213#comment-4091 @kadiks I'm not sure where you got your information on #3, but not only do neither of those devices even _support_ flash at all, but jQuery and javascript have perfect unadultered access to the browser touch and orientation events. Check out the jqTouch project for some more examples of $('#item').touch() and $('#item').slide() etc. @kadiks I’m not sure where you got your information on #3, but not only do neither of those devices even _support_ flash at all, but jQuery and javascript have perfect unadultered access to the browser touch and orientation events. Check out the jqTouch project for some more examples of $(‘#item’).touch() and $(‘#item’).slide() etc.

]]> By: kadikshttp://thepinkcrow.com/articles/die-flash-die/comment-page-1/#comment-3888 kadiks Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:25:19 +0000 http://thepinkcrow.com/?p=213#comment-3888 You made your point, and HTML 5 + Apple's decision suits your needs. So Flash might die in your world but Flash is and will still be there. Simply because Adobe keep doing what Flash did for a long time : build it a step ahead HTML. If you think about Flash as a framework (like jQuery for the Javascript), you get all the power of it.1/ Videos Thanks to HTML 5 videos will be supported directly in the browser, but with Flash you will include it in your project with a simple drag and drop, adding cue points and get the full screen option automatically.2/ Canvas That's just the most awesome feature of HTML 5. It's a Flash like window where you can create a shape and move it all over the canvas. You can even create 3D objects. Unfortunately Flash is doing it the same way with less line of code. And even better, you can use the timeline and use no code at all for effect you can't produce by coding them.3/ Touch Events You love the iPad and the iPhone, you would like to create an awesome widget on your website with the same feature. Unfortunately it's not possible with HTML5/Javascript.4/ SEO It's a fake point: you're totally right. Flash is a mess for it. A lot of available solution but it's not really effective. And all effective solution are HTML based or to complicated for a basic website.Don't get me wrong, I don't say that Flash will be ahead HTML 5, I'm just saying that Flash will be more specialised and fill need that HTML 5 still doesn't have. And it's not because Flash gurus go to JS that it's a victory, it's just because HTML 5 enables us (finally) to do what we wanted to do. You made your point, and HTML 5 + Apple’s decision suits your needs.
So Flash might die in your world but Flash is and will still be there.
Simply because Adobe keep doing what Flash did for a long time : build it a step ahead HTML.
If you think about Flash as a framework (like jQuery for the Javascript), you get all the power of it.

1/ Videos
Thanks to HTML 5 videos will be supported directly in the browser, but with Flash you will include it in your project with a simple drag and drop, adding cue points and get the full screen option automatically.

2/ Canvas
That’s just the most awesome feature of HTML 5. It’s a Flash like window where you can create a shape and move it all over the canvas. You can even create 3D objects.
Unfortunately Flash is doing it the same way with less line of code. And even better, you can use the timeline and use no code at all for effect you can’t produce by coding them.

3/ Touch Events
You love the iPad and the iPhone, you would like to create an awesome widget on your website with the same feature. Unfortunately it’s not possible with HTML5/Javascript.

4/ SEO
It’s a fake point: you’re totally right. Flash is a mess for it. A lot of available solution but it’s not really effective.
And all effective solution are HTML based or to complicated for a basic website.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t say that Flash will be ahead HTML 5, I’m just saying that Flash will be more specialised and fill need that HTML 5 still doesn’t have.
And it’s not because Flash gurus go to JS that it’s a victory, it’s just because HTML 5 enables us (finally) to do what we wanted to do.

]]> By: Regan Wildershttp://thepinkcrow.com/articles/die-flash-die/comment-page-1/#comment-3772 Regan Wilders Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:01:15 +0000 http://thepinkcrow.com/?p=213#comment-3772 Wow! Great post Rachel, my sentiments exactly.... Wow! Great post Rachel, my sentiments exactly….

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